asmiyahyun:

hasty-touch:

danaan13:

asmiyahyun:

keru-lowry:

aethericseafarer:

asmiyahyun:

Okay, this is a bit of a nerd post and I could use some help from those who RP as conjurers. As’miya is a conjurer, she can use basic destruction magic but she isn’t that great at it (she can only cast blizzard and thunder) and she studied within the arcanist guild to learn to control her aetherflow.

Now, I don’t want to reveal my canon too much but I’ve been researching into Conjurer and White Mage lore. Now I know White Mages are extremely rare and they’re not well known unless you somehow get associated and chosen by the Padjal or Elements, plus from what I’ve read up White Magic is forbidden.

I may go down the route eventually that she finds an amdapori soulstone where she trains and learns the forbidden magics of the White, although this would be much later on in my current RP timeline. She wouldn’t call herself a White Mage though, nor would she reveal she can use such forbidden spells – she would hide it but those who are powerful enough would be able to sense her aetherflow and possibly get a hint that she’d be able to use such powerful healing magic. Again though, this is a possibly – I need to research properly and come up with an idea how to this happen.

I’ve already got a timeline and a canon present, but I wanted to double check with those who are into their lore: would Miya need to be a member of the Conjurer’s guild to get most of her knowledge for healing and protection spells?

Now, Miya grew up around Thanalan and spends lot of time in La Noscea during for a few years before present day. As of now, she hasn’t really spent a lot of time in Gridania.

She would have begun to ‘hear the elements’ at a young age, she would have thought she was going insane. Now, I wanted someone in her canon (her maternal aunt) to point out that she’s a ‘hearer’ and that she heard the elements of earth within the desert whilst she grew up.

Now what I want to know is – how realistic would it be that Miya would have been shown VERY basic healing and protection spells by a member of her tribe and then eventually learn more through self reading OR could she be shown the basic spells by her aunt and would be it wiser to make her head to Gridania to hone on these spells?

I know the Twelveswood is full of hedge trees which support the magical barrier of the Wood from outside harm. I have read that lore suggests that they were created by Conjurer’s magic and that the Elemental’s magic. So I know that it would be in Miya’s best interest to take time out and head to Gridania to perfect her spells under the guidance of the CNJ guild. I’d figure this out within my canon somehow.

But yeah, I also know that the elementals are EVERYWHERE so I could technically keep Miya around Thanalan when she’s younger but it would seem very unrealistic if:

a) she becomes a decent conjurer if she doesn’t get help from the CNJ guild IF healing and protection spells are difficult as fuck to learn.

b) she needs to be in Gridania for a certain amount of time and she hasn’t been which means I need to re-write her timeline a bit to incorporate this.

CAN ANY LORE NERDS HELP A GIRL OUT PLEASE?!

Halp heer! I’d be curious to know too!

Depends, some of the very basic things like Cure, Protect, Stone and the like can easily be taught by someone who was once in the guild but it wouldn’t necessarily be a had to have been in the guild. However at least in Cure II’s case it’s something that you would had to have been in the guild to learn as they said in the questline that they don’t teach it all that often.

Cheers @keru-lowry looks like I’m gonna be re-writing my canon now to send her to Gridania to learn the more ‘advanced spells’ since her aunt will be the one teaching her the very BASICS and introducing her to conjuring magic.

This is something I’ve actually had little input on myself, in the attempts i’ve made for questions. What I’ve run with, based on what lore I’ve found, is that Norhi is a conjurer, who came into being chosen as a white mage after the successor to A-Towa-Cant was chosen. She’s quiet about being a white mage. Mostly just calling herself a healer or a mage. She considers her passion to actually be arcanima, but does her work as a healer. However, Norhi grew up in Gridania, and so was admitted to the cnj guild as early as they’d take her.

But I agree that the basics could probably be learned in a number of places. Conjurers, retired or otherwise, are all over the place. And I wouldn’t surprise me to see them picking up students and passing on the art. At least enough of it to keep people from hurting themselves or others. But I agree that the spread certain advanced spells are probably watched more closely by the guild.

I’m interested in reading other peoples’ takes since this is something I wonder about too.

Conjurers are everywhere, in terms of gameplay; pirates have Barbers, the U tribe has (IIRC) Shamans, and remember Hourlinet from Coerthas Central Highlands? Conjurer. I’ve toyed with the idea that they aren’t actually “proper” conjurers, but are “ICly” some other healing class (which SE represents by giving them conjurer spells since that’s what’s available – yet if that were so, why the obviously conjurer-like twig wands, and why not have NPC healers all use Physick?) However, in the 60+ weaver quests, there is a young woman who is secretly training as a “chirurgeon” and “conjurer,” using those exact terms, without leaving Ishgard.

My personal headcanon for the moment is that while the Gridanian Conjurer’s Guild tries to keep control of the image and narrative of conjury (as if they were defending an IP,) and while the most advanced trainers probably reside there, conjury is practiced all over Eorzea. I imagine that different cultures have their own traditions, with knowledge being passed down through practicioners who may have never been anywhere near the Conjurer’s Guild. I would guess that the “technology” started to spread across Eorzea during the Fifth Umbral Era (from early Amdapor??,) possibly before the Elementals empowered the first White Mages.

So… basically my headcanon aligns pretty closely with yours, @asmiyahyun (who I can’t tag D:)

Re: the forbiddenness of White Magic being practiced by people who haven’t been approved by the Padjal: in the 60+ Black Mage questline there is a Hearer who is sent by the Seedseer Council to Thanalan/Ul’dah to track down a rumored Black Mage. So Black Magic, at least, is illegal to the extent that Gridanian!Conjurers can attempt to arrest(?) practicioners even on foreign territory. Of course, I’m not sure if unapproved White Magic is equally illegal, because while both types of magic are blamed for the War of the Magi, White Magic doesn’t do the environmental damage that Black Magic does, at least as far as I know.

I actually agree with your head canon there I have a similar view. Cheers for your input it really has helped me!!

In my character’s backstory, I have Lyn’to as a white mage. He was born with a unique ability to hear and commune with the Elementals, but as he wasn’t part of the Hyur bloodlines (as he is a Miqo’te), he was not born a padjal.

As he grew up, he always noticed strange whispers around him, as well as having a latent ability to heal. When he finally entered Gridania, instead of being branded as an outsider by the Elementals and thus not tainted by Woodsin (which would invoke Greenwrath), he followed the voices to where it was strongest to him, the Guardian Tree. It was there where he first communed properly with the Elementals and thus bestowed with his Soul Crystal. He then went to the head of the conjurer’s guild (E-Sumi Yan) to ask for advice given this revelation and it was there that he studied the duties of a White Mage and honed his skill. It was due to the that he followed Kan-E Senna with the Twin Adders to help heal those wounded at Carteneau, witnessing the Calamity first-hand.

Nowadays, he spends a lot of his time tending to the sick and wounded around Eorzea as well as helping to maintain the balance of the Elementals both in the Shroud and outside across Eorzea. It pains him to see poachers, especially in the Tweleswood as it is a violation of the Law of the Twelveswood, which he tries to respect very much.